Two Mormon Practices - Baptism of the Dead and Temple recommendation
Posted: 01 November 2009 08:24 PM   [ Ignore ]
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These are facebook, I typed them earlier. I am posting them here to get some opinions. My sister became a Mormon, as I have stated before in other topics. Her reason was a guy, simple as that. Slowly she has felt accepted, so much that is slowly alienating everyone in this family. She will not debate with me, as I speak calmly, she yells or tells me to shut up. I have shown her these things and she just tells me that people do not want to accept the truth, only lies. She can defend her religion, because in the end, the root of it is a guy who is a player. Her church worries me and since she is an adult, there is nothing we can do. My parents have treated her as a baby for too long that she now refuses to grow up at times.

So here are the things I have typed on facebook.

1) The Baptism of the Dead
2) No one allowed in the temple but those given a recommendation from the Bishop.

1) http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-r001.html

I am posting this because of my own once confusion on the baptism of the dead and how it made ZERO sense to me. Now that I understand things better, it is easy to see how things can easily be misinterpreted for ones own benefit. We want so badly to believe we can save those gone, but we can not accept Christ for someone else.

2) http://www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.2950559/k.CE50/Mormons.htm

I am not bashing on Mormons, I seek to understand the things that make no sense. I do not like when a bible verse is thrown out and not explained properly. We want to take one or two verses and then not deal with others that explain it more. My main point in this article deals with the temple and how you must take all ...these classes to even enter it. God stated in 1 Cor. 3:16 that people are his dwelling place, not a building. Wherever two or more are gathered in my name, I am with them. Matthew 18:20

I believe in understand things and remembering that for us to understand the bible we have to also understand history. Things were said differently for a reason, because that is how people thought. Even in our own short history we can see that. The best example would be the world Fag. It once meant a cigarette, but we know that is far from what it means now. The word gay used to mean happy, it too means something completely different.

Churches throughout history have misinterpreted thing…

This is frustrating, I typed a lot more and it is not there!

Let me try to remember it all.

Basically human nature is why we have so many religions that are based off one book. History is the proof of that, simple as can be. We have seen so many cults that have misinterpreted things for their own needs and how many innocent people have been the victims of them and still are…. Read More

In the end we need to remember to meditate on the word of God, pray, and also research. We need to remember that we have to understand the time when all this was written to understand what some of it means. 500 years from now, do you think most of what we have written will make sense to the future? They could be confused by so much. We have to understand the time period and even the cultures in some of the books of the bible to understand things.

People consider either the whole Mormon church a cult, some only the Utah ones that have 10 wives. In the end, I can not tell you what is a cult and what is not, for we all have our own opinions. My opinion of a cult is a place that begins to control you, change you for the worst, pull you away from everyone in your life who does not agree with their ways, and etc. When a group begins to isolate you in a way so that they are the only ones there…just be careful.

I believe in apologetics believe it or not. I just chose not to go into with a lot of people, because I will never say I am wise enough to actually be in some of the great debates I have seen in the past. I simply believe in understanding other religions. You should be able to debate calmly and without getting mad and mean. You need a calm head and heart. For if you can not explain what you believe, then do you understand what you believe? You need to do more then throw out a bible verse, you need to explain it properly and correctly!

I think that is everyone, hopefully it is. If I remember something else later, I will just come back.

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Posted: 24 November 2009 02:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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In the end, Mormonism is too simple.  To be such a recent religion, yet have so many holes in it should be an intellectual wall for anyone.

1.  The Old Testament screams out about the New Testament coming to be.  I have asked at least TWELVE mormons who have come to my house here and there to give me scriptural evidence from the New Testament explicitly foretelling of the many amazing events told in the Book of Mormon.  ALL have pointed me towards books to read.  Well, one of them gave me one scripture (Ezekiel 37:15-20), which doesn’t even require a refutation.

    1a.  The fact is that there should be mentioning of this other testament coming about all throughout the New Testament, yet you will find it incredibly silent on the matter.  A mormon might throw a vague scripture or two your way, but the fact is that there should be an abundance of clear scripture speaking on the matter.

2.  For Mormonism to be historically accurate there must have existed a LARGE civilization in the Americas for around a thousand years, which was based on some form of Christianity.  We would expect to find ample evidence regarding not only regarding this civilization, but their use of horses, the wheel, smelted steel, etc.  The fact is that archaeology and mormonism are at parts with one another.

    2a.  Either my history professors are ignorant or mormonism is wrong.  That simple statement led me to study a lot on Mormonism.  I have e-mailed several leading mormon internet apologists in the past and am yet to receive a response from them on several subjects.

I would fear for my sister, if I were you.  Not so much the fact that she wants to be religious, but the fact that she has favored a largely anti-intellectual religion.

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Posted: 04 December 2009 05:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Not just that, but she has joined a cult based on your definition of the word.  I am wondering though, what goes on in those Mormon temples that they only want followers and recommended people to know about.  I am sorry if that makes things worse, but groups only practice exclusion because they are either hiding something, or they are trying to manage memberships, and there are not enough people wanting to be Mormons for the second one to be the reason.

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